How to kill a motorcycle and its rider.

i Can understand the reasoning behind some of it. I mean, I don't want people destroying my land. But some of these people have private land that is completely and totally unused, or try and mess with people on land that isn't theirs. For those people, I really want to catch them making one of those barbed wire killer ones.. I'll personally string them up by it. Pathetic people, they see other people having fun, and look for anyway to hurt those people

if im going to make a deterrent its going to be visible. if i have a wire running through my land it would be orange so people wouldnt run into it, if they run into it anyways thats their problem, however no motorcycle rider deserves to die or get seriously injured because they arent riding with permission. i dont think that site should even be up there, yes they arent supporting it, but some tree hugger might see that and get some ideas.

Exactly. Any trap i would make on my land would be something that would just make it un fun to ride on, nothing more. Like a bunch of horse crap mixed with some foul smelling stuff.. Just stuff so they don't ride on my yard.. Not anything to hurt or maim or god forbid kill anyone

Not in Floriduh; check out "castle doctrine" in the state statutes.

Old post, I know.

a couple of other states are Thankfully like that!

:ack2:Jesus H anyone who would set any kind of trap like that should be hung.

thats mesed up. ive ran acrossed the neck height wire before while rideing my snowmobile i cut it down. these people are jokes i would love to meet who wrote that

Unfortunately it was probably written by a "well meaning" off roader looking to drum up support against the tree huggers. It appears to be a misguided attempt to pin something on the greenies. This document is only posted on ORV web sites and forums. The choice of blaming this on Earth First was a mistake. EF is a huge organization that has a excellent legal dept. They know exactly how far they can go without breaking the law and losing credibility. "Preventing such criminal activity has become increasingly difficult, in large part because extremists in these movements are very knowledgeable about the letter of the law and the limits of law enforcement," said John Lewis, a counterterrorism FBI official, at a congressional hearing. EF focuses on the big issues such as logging, mining, commercial animal testing and whaleing. I have been unable to find any eco organization or any eco document that supports booby trapping ORV areas. In fact it has been the exact opposite they warn against it. Definately appears that instead of using common sense and the existing ORV organizations like the Blue Ribbon Coalition and Tread Lightly someone accomplished exactly the opposite what they intended to. So savior of the ORV trust whoever you are thanks for publishing a list of traps that the tree huggers probably werent smart enough to come up with on their own.

The pest scourge of the earth

...or great recreation access vehicle

...or super access vehicle for the disabled...or fantastic workhorse for all sorts of folks.

All terrain vehicles come in all sizes, shapes, and kinds.

However, off road vehicles are never a pest until the ATV encounters a driver who doesn't give a darn about the effects of his heavy use of the throttle or the landowner rights on whose land he rides. He is guilty of trespass, trespassing, driving past no trespass signs, damaging land the belongs to others, in sum just being inconsiderate of the rights of others.


PROBLEMS THIS MECHANIZED PEST CAUSES:

•Erosion is Facilitated (dirt loss)
•Violation of Land Rights (trespass)
•Wetland destruction (flooding and erosion)
•Noise pollution (rights trampled)
•Wildlife disbursement (habitat violated)
•and other problems that never seem to pop up

PREVENTION and PEST CONTROL:

POST YOUR LAND using signs, paint, whatever is used in your area for that purpose.

•THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. You must be diligent and repeatedly replace any signs that are removed so that the ATV operators KNOW that an active landowner is somewhere nearby.
•Yes you may have to do it repeatedly. Very visible active land management will cure a significant number of trespasses.
•We are not suggesting that you stand in their way to stop them and talk, but things like mowing the grass, moving the signs around where they enter sends a message that you are watching them and can call the law at any moment.
•ATVers are like leeming mice in that they follow the tracks they can see of ATV's that have gone before them...ruts, bent grass, etc.
•If you can camouflage the tracks (the old trail) just as hikers do when they relocate a worn out hiking trail, you will discover that you will have less or no more ATV traffic because they will have to discover a new way around your land (following the new tracks you left for them?). We really didn't suggest that. Just a comment about a technique we heard about.
•NOTIFY THE LAW with repeated visits (repeated is very important) respectfully asking for additional patrols and indicating that you WILL follow through with legal action, not just drop it after they catch them. If legan action is taken and penalties are applied, call your local newspaper and tip them off to the story and hopefully the experience and penalty will be conveyed via a news article distributed throughout your community.
•NOTIFY THE LOCAL ATV CLUB. Do the research and find out where the nearest local club is meeting then send a formal letter of request to stay out or visit with an officer of the club to request their compliance. They will notify all of their members and begain that chain of information that Mr. Jones land out by that big closed dump is now off limits, or can only be ridden in with prior permission.
•EDUCATE ATVers: Visiting your local high school and grammar schools can be beneficial. Meet with the pricipal, explain your trespass problem and ask if there is any way your land can be included as an example of where a ATVer must not go in the applicable teachers lesson plan.
•ASK ATV and ORV RIDERS TO CALL: Believe it or not, if a sign indicates you may give permission if they whip out their cell which most carry today and call you, most in fact do call at that point. This technique has proven very successful because you now know who they are and you can enlist them to help you patrol the land/trail use.
FENCE THE ATV PEST OUT:

•Barriers on a trail or worn in trespass route do not usually stop a off road vehicle. In fact just the opposite happens. You have built a challenge for the operator to get around or over or under...yes under in a few cases we know of.
•Barriers such as fences around your property do work, but not always instantly. You may have to repair a place several times if the idiot is persistent. But in time you will win because they get discouraged, or grow out of their bad behavior, or they are in jail because their bad behavior was not just exhibited driving an ATV but in their everyday lifestyle.

RETALIATION AGAINST THE ATV PEST:

•RULE #1: Don't retaliate by digging traps, shooting the trespasser, stringing wire, building barriers of nails, wood or god knows what else. IT IS ILLEGAL. IF THEY GET HURT, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE IN DOLLARS, JAIL TIME, or WORSE.
•Rule #2: The same as rule #1. Do not do it.

we get stereo typed because of the minority of us trespasing property