the 09 yz's

[wr250f95]

Originally Posted by tjscott2012

ya, but a two stroke makes equal, (or close) power at half the displacement of the four stroke, so its more fair to give them more displacement
i think the 2 stroke should be allowed to be 144's, it would be much more even

in peak hp yes, but its not a broad power curve, peak dont mean doo doo if its produced at 10k.

[wr250f95]

Originally Posted by tjscott2012

how can you say that? is your opinion not incredibly biased? youve owned an rm80, but have you owned a real, full sized 2 stroke? have you actually spent alot of time on one? how can you get away with calling 2 strokes wasteul? lets take a 10 hour ride, what do you do? change your oil, what does your bike hold? a quart?? whether you pour it on the ground, or give it to someone who is going to put it in their furnace, its worse for the environment than the 1/4 of a quart of cleaner burning premix i used. and does your four stroke not hold more tranny fluid than my 2 stroke? does the incredibly high decibel output thanks to exhaust manufacturers of four strokes not equally help our riding areas get shut down? does an expansion chamber not force the unburned mixture back in? and for the small amount of time that a 2 stroke is not in the powerband does a powervalve not help significantly with this?
the answers are all yes.

is yours not incredibly biases as well?
tell ya what tj, I just got in, I started riding at 9 this morning, its now 5:30.
oil change, and it goes into waste oil which we burn to heat the shop.
I used 3/4 of a tank of fuel.

a 2stroke would have had to have 2 tanks of gas, and that means more oil being used.

[BansheeRider]

no, i am not biased, i dont like my bike, and im close to neutral on 2s and 4s, i just want a 2 because they are cheaper
my tank holds about 1.3 gallons.
it takes about 3/4 a quart to mix a 5 gallon can at 32:1
and thats just being safe, i could mix at 40:1 if i wanted to.
so i have 2 tanks left over out of 3/4 a quart of premix and 5 gallons of gas after using 2.
not to mention, that my premix burns a hell of a lot cleaner than your oil
while your bike holds over 1 1/2 quarts
those are rough estimates, but you see what im getting at.

[gscx]

Originally Posted by tjscott2012

why is it gay to ride?
thats a well respected bike, what didnt you like about it?

Ok, well you get on one that has that much done to it and tell me how fun it is

[BansheeRider]

im only asking what you dont like about it

[wr250f95]

Originally Posted by tjscott2012

no, i am not biased, i dont like my bike, and im close to neutral on 2s and 4s, i just want a 2 because they are cheaper
my tank holds about 1.3 gallons.
it takes about 3/4 a quart to mix a 5 gallon can at 32:1
and thats just being safe, i could mix at 40:1 if i wanted to.
so i have 2 tanks left over out of 3/4 a quart of premix and 5 gallons of gas after using 2.
not to mention, that my premix burns a hell of a lot cleaner than your oil
while your bike holds over 1 1/2 quarts
those are rough estimates, but you see what im getting at.

ha bull, your biased and you know it, every thread you start is pro 2 stroke.

um, no it doesnt, 2strokes are filthy for the very reason that they burn oil in the gas, what do you think the smoke is? it doesnt matter how lean you jet it, its the nature of the beast because it burns the oil constantly.
while my bike uses 1 1/2 quart of oil, that is it, the 1 1/2 quart takes care of everything, you have to have tranny oil

[BansheeRider]

well thats a silly arguement, not only will the transmission fluid do better than the engine oil as far as my clutch and gears, but your bike is one of the few new(er) four strokes that doesnt have seperate engine and transmission oil.
so theres no way you can justifiy it now.
a four stroke, simply uses more oil than a 2 stroke. and in your case, it gets burned which like ive said is even dirtier than premix, which they even make smokeless now.
and yes wr, premix will burn way cleaner than engine oil.
your bike doesnt burn oil is the only reason you dont see black smoke pouring out. ill make a vid of me lighting both and we will see which is cleaner.
and no i am not biased. i have yet to start a thread in the last month that stated 2 strokes were better than 4 strokes, although i believe its more of a universal design, a four stroke has a few advantages.

[wr250f95]

Originally Posted by tjscott2012

well thats a silly arguement, not only will the transmission fluid do better than the engine oil as far as my clutch and gears, but your bike is one of the few new(er) four strokes that doesnt have seperate engine and transmission oil.
so theres no way you can justifiy it now.
a four stroke, simply uses more oil than a 2 stroke. and in your case, it gets burned which like ive said is even dirtier than premix, which they even make smokeless now.
and yes wr, premix will burn way cleaner than engine oil.
your bike doesnt burn oil is the only reason you dont see black smoke pouring out. ill make a vid of me lighting both and we will see which is cleaner.
and no i am not biased. i have yet to start a thread in the last month that stated 2 strokes were better than 4 strokes, although i believe its more of a universal design, a four stroke has a few advantages.

bull shit tj, need we go through all the positive threads youve started for 2strokes?


run out and run your finger along the inside of your exhaust, I just did on mine, a little gray on my finger, let me know what yours looks like.
Ill gladly go riding with you,and if by the end of the day im not covered in little black specks, then youve done the impossible, your arguement that 2strokes are somehow cleaner than a 4stroke is just plain silly, of all reasons why Ive heard a 2 stroke is better, this has to be the strangest, for petes sake man, why do you think nobody else trys to argue it? its because its simply not true.
premix may burn cleaner, but its always being burned when the motor is running, 2strokes are filthy, its just part of their deal.
theres nothing wrong with clutch oil and tranny oil not being seperated, theres filters that off set the clutch particles that get shed whenever the clutch gets used.
xr's used the same system, atleast the 250 did, and its still one of the most reliable bikes, if not the most reliable bike ever.

[BansheeRider]

what in the hell are you talking about wr? you think 2 strokes shoot out black specs? you are dead wrong, something tells me youve never ridden a properly tuned 2 stroke, considering you werent happy with an 01 cr125, theres not a spec of oil anywhere on my bike, except for a little spot on the subframe from where my old silencer fell apart.
and i would love you to show me a positive thread i started about 2 strokes where i stated they were much better than four strokes, except for this one of course.
your still not making sense, stating 2 strokes are (dirty) which they arent, doesnt justify the fact that your 4 stroke is hurting the environment more than my 2 stroke is.
i just ran my finger down my exhaust, know what i got? a hair and some dust. the only part of my exhaust that has any spooge on it whatsoever is the very tip, which was my fault for running 32:1
oh, and the xr, need we go over how much power it makes?
theres a reason they seperated those

[gscx]

jesus, why are we arguing about this, the answer is obvious. A four stroke is better, a 250f having the same lap times as a 250 two stroke?that explains itself and thats all that needs to be said. But there will alaways be a company that makes a two stroke, not everyone wants a 4 stroke and KTM seems to be the only company that knows that, so they will reap the profits. Yamaha doesnt even update their bikes anymore. And stop arguing about the oil issue, ALL bikes make pollution it doesnt matter if one bike makes more than the other. Because these are CLOSED COURSE MACHINES. EPA does not regulate their emmisions. And what honda and all of those manufacturers said about not making 2 strokes anymore was an excuse to avoid public backlash about not making them anymore